It is also true that we have a responsibility to tell people about the gospel message, especially those who we have contact with. teaching that all sex is dirty, etc..), I see no sense in throwing the baby out with the bath water. No new testament christian anywhere in scripture, that I know of, is compelled to give a tithe. A compelling memoir and account of the Independent Fundamental Baptist church and its shocking history of religious abuse. These churches are good examples of Bible believing churches that existed independent of the Roman Catholic Church, and were for some time not corrupted by its influences. The point is Jesus not only did not condem it but He said it should not have been left undone. But when we begin to paint entire church groups with the broad brush of generalities then OUR motives become suspect. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception. Puritan churches persecuted the Baptists in America until the U. S. Constitution was made the law of the land in 1787. Does Westboro Baptist in Topeka, Kansas (Thank God for 9/11, God hates fags, Thank God for dead soldiers) fall under the IFB category? Leaving Fundamentalism Leaving Fundamentalism Religion & Spirituality Podcast dedicated to my experiences of being a member of the Independent I was raised in a conservative Fundamentalist Christian home. Protestants still practice infant baptism which is not taught in the Word of God. They loved the Lord and many of them gave their lives and fortunes for the sake of Christ. Youve done nothing to, directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct.. I liken this to attending a Bible study without your Bible. For an example there is Patrick of Ireland. I thought that this was the passage you were referring to. In 1539 thirty one more who had fled to Holland were apprehended and martyred there. The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. He refused to wear the robes of his church office, and refused to let unsaved people take the Lords Supper. I believe the all scripture is given. passage to include the Old Testament, too. They were in fact churches founded on the same New Testament principles that modern day Baptists traditionally founded their churches. I certainly need Gods help to do the things He has asked me to do. I dont know what you are referring to by saying they dont use the O.T.? Not one Baptist church can show in its history a direct succession from the Anabaptists. While IFB churches are autonomous, most of them share certain characteristics, many of which are below. People have a tendency to attempt to conceal their sin. There were always things my husband did not agree with but we stayed thinking we could look past things. Drinkers go to the next town to buy their drinks. Im a Southern Baptist and celebrate Jesus and His grace! 4.) The New IFB is strongly opposed to homosexuality, with several pastors advocating the belief that homosexuals should be executed by the government. I myself wear pants and outside of church most of the other women do too. Praise the Lord she started going back to church recently. "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. I miss the preaching and singing. We finally left and joined a non-demoninational that has really opened my eyes to authentic worship and what its supposed to be like. Right down to exactly a tenth. A couple of things. They say they hold to the NT pattern, and yet, they do not. Tithing preceded the OT Law. A side note, my sons group In Search Of Reason has been selected to play for CreationFest this year. Two champions of religious liberty were the Virginians Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry. Offers of religious liberty drew many Baptists to It can be historically determined that forty seven Baptist churches were in existence before the Great Awakening. The pastor followed up with me with a long phone call, and that is when we began to discuss the baptism issue, he was very cordial and we simply agreed to disagree, which is probably what you and I will have to do. My best friend who professes to be Christian (she attends a Southern Baptist church), is dating an evolutionist and she tells me that religion is not high up on her criteria for dating and marriage yet she will call me, upset, and say that her boyfriend is hasseling her about her faith. @greg When a congregation results from the preaching of the Gospel, authenticating that congregation as a New Testament church rests solely on its doctrine and practice.not in its affiliation. They were then tarred and feathered and ran out of the county. Here is the Scripture Im refering to: In Luke 11:42 he says, But woe to you Pharisees! Cooper P. Abrams, III ALL RIGHTS RESERVED: This publication has been reprinted with permission from the author. this is a great book research on cultist church We are so happy that we left the IFB cult and our relationship with Christ is so much more genuine and heartfelt. #momlife. The New Testament teaches that Christ is the head of the church,(Eph. Trying to hold onto a past I knew was unfulfilling, but too scared to embrace a future of grace. 8) forbid lifting of hands during the service, some of the IFB churches are more lenient on this matter that others. Overview of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination, A Brief Survey Of Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches: What They are and What is Their History. My responsibility is to preach the Word. Some more deception I would like to expose are these IFB web sites. True, New Testament churches strongly believe that all doctrinal error is sin as the New Testament teaches. What do you mean by Fundamentalism? It bases its belief in the New Testament teaching that every believer is a priest to himself, having full excess to God without the need to go through a church, church leader or priest. True New Testament Christians have always rejected such unbiblical ideas. My husband and are very involved in different activities and are feeling very used. (My family moved alot when I was a child, and Ive attended 7 different IFB churches in 4 different statesnot all of them are same, but my current one for the last 10 years is great), I had a long response here, but I received and error. This was the birth of Protestant churches. The Puritans did not believe in such things and they drove him from their colony. To the lady dont feel guilty, find a church where there are like minded people and you will feel closer to God ever. He tells us all the time he can tell we are believers because we are different in how we treat him and others in our neighborhood. God has not entrusted that authority to impart salvation to any man or church. I feel distant and I feel it is affecting my relationship with my husband. For another example, our neighbor is a lost man. 2 Timothy 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. @Fran Some have pointed to the Anabaptists as the examples of early Baptist churches. She and another church lady had this discussion and the other lady said that to her it is a bigger sin to stay in an abusive, unloving marriage such as the one my mother was in, and I agree whole heartedly. Your reasoning is faulty. Knolleys was imprisoned many times and suffered at the hands of the State Church. If only people would study more to know the voice of their Savior, there would be no one to follow the false teachers. Because Knolleys refused to baptize infants and preached against it he was banned from the colony by the famous Puritan governor Cotton Mather. It was a nice letter and he apologized for not being more in touch with visitors and invited us back. The Trinity: God is one What and three Whos with each Who possessing all the attributes of Deity and personality. (I do love acapella singing, btw.). It is not the name or the organization that makes a Biblical church, but its practice of the faith as revealed in the New Testament. And to top it off you have very strange sayings that I have no idea what they mean, the last half of the verse at Acts 9:5 is an example It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks WHAT! God has set up a completely different program for believers in the church age. Jesus quoted the old testament. Romans 1:20 says that For since the creation Gods invisible qualities his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.. The name Protestant was given to those churches which came out of Roman Catholicism during the Reformation which began in the 1500s. But our scary stories lose their power to torment us once we allow God to redeem them. (Kris Camealy). Thanks for your response. To call these people Baptists or Baptistic, in the sense the believed the Bible and followed it as their sole authority for faith and practice, in the same way true Baptist churches do today, is acceptable, although it serves no purpose. You have it backwards. They will not engage in joint meetings, or evangelistic endeavors, with Protestants, Catholics, or other doctrinally unsound church groups, who do not hold to the fundamental teachings of the New Testament. After Henry VII separated England from the Roman Catholic Church the Baptist faired no better. Fundamental Independent Baptists church will remain separate from these churches as well as other Baptists groups who participate with the unscriptural churches. It may be this passage of Scripture Paul had in mind when he said I am innocent of the blood of all men because he had taught them the whole counsel of Gods word. WebNew Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, 8. It is characterized by professing to believe in separation but doing But when a crowd gathered and pressed against Jesus, He asked Simon if He could use the fishing boat as an impromptu pulpit to teach the people. WebRT @reachjulieroys: A former Baptist missionary has been found guilty of sexually abusing a 4-year-old, who tested positive for gonorrhea last April Jordan Webb, affiliated with an Independent Fundamental Baptist church, could face up to 32 years in prison at his sentencing. @greg Its fun being a mom to bigger boys. He then baptized himself (which is not biblical) and then the others of his congregation. No words could console. 2. G.L. In the many books on church history which make up the bibliography for this paper, there is not one recorded incident of a Baptist church beginning founded out of Roman Catholicism. ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.. Through preaching the New Testament, the Gospel went forth in power and the Baptist movement grew rapidly. Here ar ethe key words: ought to have done without leaving the others undone, which would mean that tithing is good. Lynne- Thanks for clearing that up. It lead me down a road that took me farther away from God rather than closer. There have always existed, from the time of Christ, New Testament churches which were not a part of the Roman Church. You are truly blind and I hope that you will one day see more clearly. Comprized of many nationalities and backgrounds, the secret of successat CR, is that this is a Bible Chuch revolving around King Jesus. Any way dont want to lie on any church. Im calling into question yourreasoning as to why you are defending your belief about tithing. I dont understand the context of your comment. Alsoas in regargds to whom Jesus spoke to (they were Phairsees)I dont think that matters, the Phairsee just happened to be the ones constantlty questioning & troubling Himas well as were the Religious Leaders of that day whom example was probally looked at by others to follow (note Jesus: Do the things that they teach, Jesus said, But do not do the things that they do). But rather than ordaining ourselves mini-Holy Spirits we need to be faithful in our teaching, we need to teach repentance, and we need to leave the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement to Almighty God. But wouldnt Paul himself, or the original church to whom the letter was sent, count as outside authority and control? You cannot read psalms w/out seeing those raised hands. Even the enemies of the Baptists openly recognize their zeal for the Word of God. In 1700, a Baptist minister, William Rhodes began to hold meetings on Long Island and in 1724 organized the first Baptist church there. He did not fail to share truth although He was not yet crucifiedso likewise I argue that since He said it should not have been left undoneHe meant what He says as He shared the fuller meaning I believe of the Laws. Its not that I wouldnt want to give to bothbut if I only have 30 dollars; Id rather give to feed, clothe, house & most of all share the Gospel vs just feed, clothe & housed. One Baptist church, however, did begin after 1714, in Surry Country, and another at Burleigh, Virginia. Part 2: My statement about folks not studying and just sitting in the pew and listening to the MOG, was not addressed to you specifically, but to folks generally, you wouldnt agree to this? Mostly because that had nothing to do with my question. In 1606, after nine months of soul-searching and study of the New Testament he was convinced that the doctrines and practices of the Church of England were not Biblical, and thus he resigned as priest and left the church. Check back often, as were frequently adding new items! We were doing what the pastor should have been doing. So I wonder again is this God desire or your thing? I feel silly because some of the things I stood up for on this site are the same things that made me leave. 6. The most important center of early Baptist churches was around Philadelphia, the city of brotherly love. In 1684, Thomas Dungan started a church at Cold Springs, New York which lasted until 1702. If they want to protest such an event, please feel free to move their candy butts a mile or more down the road. These things I write unto you that ye may know that ye have salvation. These are the mistakes one finds when following man-made theology. In fact Jesus emphatically stated in Matt. Some of his former congregation in Salem joined him and they set up a colony. in time you will feel the freedom that you have gained. I have done my share of research on what defines a cult and unless Im missing something, we dont qualify as a such. Bob Just want to commend you on how clearly you are able to elucidate on a given topic, Im envious. I sat next to this mans bed for hours as he screamed in agony and torment. Recovering Fundamentalist Podcast I believe that the Bible is clear on what is modest apparel. I know some will hate me, and that's fine. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Treated like everywhere else been. But not all Baptist churches are that way! The study of Gods word deserves more time than this life holds. It was not the man who founded the church that was important, but the New Testament principles on which he founded this church. The one caution I would give is to allow God to speak to you through the scriptures, that is the most critical. He states there were Baptists in England 1400 AD. You could mean those persons or churches which held to the Baptists beliefs although they may not have called themselves Baptists. The name Fundamental Independent Baptist is of recent origin and came into being because many modern day Baptist churches compromising the Word of God and teaching and practicing false doctrines. I met him about 25 years ago and our spirits bore witness that we are the sons of God. If a Millennial wants a non-denominational, evangelical I think most people would agree with me on this. Smyth died in 1612, and the church ended in Holland shortly after that with Helwy, Thomas and John Murton returning to England as persecution there had lessened. Gossips offer plausible deniability. In 1645, he formed a Baptist church in London. Thats a truly awesome thing! Churches dont have the right to make rules about dress apart from Scriptural guidelines and principles. If I were asked to compare the church I attend with another denomination that I knew about. There are plenty of church members that disagree with the preacher on many topics. For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. Wed love to hear about it! On Sunday, March 26, 2023, Pastor Scott McFeters moved into the role of Senior Pastor at Greater Portland Baptist Church. This church had no ties to anyone or any other church, yet this was a Baptist church as much as any Baptist church ever was. (Quote from Dr. J. M. Carrolls booklet The Trail of Blood) These historians, in an attempt to show an unbroken line of Baptists in history, have embraced groups which were clearly not doctrinal sound. It will happen though, that you find your own path, through Gods guidance, of course! I am not in favor of tactics that play on peoples emotions so as to secure a visible result. By 400 AD, the Emperor Theodosius had declared Christianity the only state religion of the Roman Empire. Well originally Abraham initiated giving a tenth of his to the priest in the Melchizdeak order which was a type of Christ I believe. This was because of frequent prompting from the pulpit: Did I say the right thing, did I pray the right prayer, did I really, really, really mean it this time etc. The connection with past churches for the modern Baptist is not the name, but rather their doctrine and practice. Every now and then I feel like Im doing something wrong, but I know its just the decades of brainwashing that I went through with the IFB. Other churches founded in New England and in the Middle colonies were the actual mother churches of modern Baptist churches as these churches were responsible for starting other churches. That local body of baptized believers would be as valid a true New Testament church as any church Christ ever founded. I hope you come back to comment more. Furthermore I believe it involved religion. Yes we only use KJV (I perosnally like it better myself because I like the Shakespeareanesque vernacular versus modern but thats a personal choice). Im sure you realize all this, but I thought I would throw my voice in it. I do dislike what seems to be human effort in trying to do what only the Spirit of God can do through a clear presentation of the word of God. 1 Peter 3:16, Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. Like friends of my son who were in Mexico recently. I have absolutely loved listening to your podcast. Many churches by this time had come under the domination of the Rome government and had ceased from being New Testament churches. Ive seen the journeys. I am thinking of leaving my IFB church. They teach you how to be dependent on the IFB rather than the Holy Spirit and the Bible. Would you say Calvary Chapels are unbiblical and not fundamental? I basically grew up in this church and when I was in my 20s, I began to feel that something was off. We dress however we want, however, my Pastor chides me in good nature, because I frequently wear black clothing, but he is not being critical. Im referring to a mistake I made in my fairly long comment, which you may not have seen yet, once you do youll understand I was correcting a statement in my next to last paragraph. Click the link below to learn more about this incredible upcoming trip! The Lord our God answered our prayer; He moved us away from the City of London into a beautiful cottage in the country. In 1684, a Baptist church in Maine seeking greater religious liberty was relocated to Charleston, South Carolina. Baptist also believe the Bible interprets itself, and that Christ is the only head of the church. KJV Bibles are the best translations because they do not take out the blood of Jesus from scripture as the other versions along with other things. In 1663, Charles II, gave the colony a royal charter and it read: Our royal will and pleasure is, that no person within the said colony, at any time hereafter, shall be in any wise molested, punished disquieted, or called in question, for any differences of opinion in matters of religion, and do not actually disturb the civil peace of the said colony. They many have been called by various names, before assemblies used the name Baptist. The New Testament teaches the absolute autonomy of each local church who is to govern itself as the Word of God instructs free from outside authority and control. Introduction:some self-observations about legalism, Part 3:hiding in shame, packing up my dreams, Part 4:Failed courtship: when you trust and obey but your heart still gets broken, Part 5:when youve been hurt by legalism, hold onto faith. They wanted to bring reform to the Church of England. At least a little bit. 13:8-10). The KJV is a wonderful translation and very valid for its time, and you, like many others love it for its beautiful shakesperean english. One thing I want emphasize is that you are not alone. The pastor was near inapproachable and always seemed like he didnt have time to talk to us. This again cannot be proven from history. However, after independence was won and the Constitutional written giving all Americans religious freedom, the Baptist again began to grow until today they are the largest denomination in the United States. Just some thoughts. My sons group will be performing on the Indie stage at 10:00 am on July 1. After leaving we received a couple phone calls from friends we had made there wondering why we left which my husband explained to them. Mark 7:7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 6.) This was the first time in the history of the world that a government was established which granted religious freedom! However, John the Baptist was an Old Testament saint and the last Old Testament prophet (Matt. My parents refuse to acknowledge that it was a cult still to this day. He believed the only way to recover was to form a new church based on the Bible. He did not belong to, nor was part of the any ekklesia. Yes he baptized, but His baptism was the baptism of repentance (Matt. http://www.nakedpastor.com/2011/01/27/total-unaccountable-power/. Certainly we are not responsible for people we never have an opportunity to witness to. If it furthers & advances the Kingdom of God (the Church, Evangelism, Missionaries, etc), then I believe it is going to God.
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