Update/Clean-Up. Hair we go. She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. I think shes guilty for sure. Very similar. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. Rorrer seems to have had relatively considerable appeals scrutiny of the convicting evidence, to no avail as yet. Patricia is a evil monster. neither her nor there couldnt be linked to her. For goodness sake, it was never proved at her trial she used the gun the police so steadfastly offered as evidence or for that matter, ANY OTHER GUN. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. Although the prosecution used it as evidence that she was trying to create a false alibi, it actually sounded more like Patricia was simply trying to nail down the facts he had already asserted to her. And your attempt to draw a distinction between a fact and an opinion! Did you personally attend the trial? Its nine minutes into the video. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. Or did they? OK my GUESS is Patricia did do it! Search it out and check for yourself. They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. I didnt know about the supposed SIDS death of Rorrers first-born. Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? Not everything is a conspiracy. And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. There appears to be evidence of her disturbed thinking shortly prior to the event (inc her stating she knows who the perp was shortly after but would not identify because its her?) Her diary certainly indicates some disturbed thinking. 5 years prior to all this happening! And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! What evidence is there she actually left the state? I noticed quite a few errors myself. Thats all for this post. They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. And while youre on that list, you can be happy in the knowledge youre not in rarefied company. There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. Finally, another irony you fail to appreciate: you claim theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. His father confirmed his alibi that they were doing construction work together, putting an addition on the house of friends Tom and Kathy Holschwander, at the time of Joanns disappearance. Rorrer killed two peoplea young mother and her small child and thru the justice system got what the bitch deserved! Did Patricia have the dyed blond hair when they broke up in 1993? Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. Lehigh County Deputies escort accused murderer Patricia Rorrer, as she arrives for the beginning of her trial at the Lehigh County Courthouse in Allentown, on Friday, Feb. 6, 1998. While most of the documentaries come out as reinforcing her guilt, albeit most of them giving differing accounts of the speculation which was presented at her trial, some going even further by showing scenes that were offered as theories at her trial, as FACT. Presumably if they thought the evidence was against the states case, thats how theyd present as theres no obvious reason for them to be biased one way or the other. There is a term in law called balance of probabilities, which basically means that guilt is assigned when there is a preponderance of evidence that would lead a rational person to conclude that the person did it. Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? They would have no reason to protect Andrew and lie on her. One of the hairs had magically developed root material to enable that. This is all BS.She did it. Weak wages. I have to assume its because her conviction is regarded as safe (which doesnt mean it IS safe, I know). They also think she killed her first hubby Larry Ford as well. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. 18+ When 21-year old Jessie Morrison is brutally beaten to death, police zero in on Vonda Smith. WOW JUST WOW PEOPLE ARE SO BLIND BY ALL THIS. Her mother, Patricia Chambers, provided day care for their baby son, Charles. They broke up in 1993. Your comment could not be farther than the truth! Your email address will not be published. And I can back up that claim by the fact I have read, watched and listened to all there is to know about this case. Unfortunately, most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense, and theyre only more unlikely to do so, given todays social media. Hoist by your own petard. First it was winter, cold temperatures preserve bodies for significantly longer periods. Youre absolutely right!! The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. I would bet MONEY that the first baby born to Patricia didnt die of SIDS. It would appear you are reading all sorts of interpretations into my comments especially that I have a fragile ego, dented by others whove responded to me! Ive scanned through of all my remarks on this site and nowhere have a seen a single remark that confirms your assertion that Ive been insulting. Police say Rorrer put a .22-caliber bullet in the mother's head, strangled the baby and placed him . Which Patricia did not, so who is the real killer? Your somewhat convoluted explanation of discuss and express opinion, seems to ramble on and on without any logic or reason. This woman was not innocent, but she is very good at manipulating people into feeling sorry for her. Patricia Rorrer was wrongfully convicted of Murder. Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. ALL IT THEN BECOMES IS A SOURCE OF INACCURACIES AND SPECULATION, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO BOLSTER THOSE WITH THAT MENTALITY AND PERPETUATE THE LACK OF TRUTH. I believe in Patricias innocence and she deserves to be freed, at last! Well of course it is, so you overstated your opinion as though you know it to be fact, thus the jury and others were wrong; ironic because youre quick to complain that others are much to sure of *their* opinion shes guilty. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. Those that think that Patricia is innocent are simply groping at straws. Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. On December 14, 2020, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court denied Ms. Rorrer's petition for allowance of appeal, concluding her state appellate proceedings. I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. Patricia seemed like the girl next door but all of a sudden, something snapped, Katrinak later told Wrong Man investigators. Barry Grube, one of the few, if not only, police officers sympathetic to Patricias cause, noted that Andrew didnt seem particularly frantic while authorities searched desperately for his wife and son. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. Patricia has been wrongfully convicted of murdering Joann and Alex Katrinak in 1994. I cant lose them, he told the media. Just as there is no such thing as the perfect murder, there is also no such thing as the perfect murder investigation. Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions. Not gender neutral. However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. In addition to the Facebook page, there are Reddit threads on her case. Sadly, those who defend Rorrer do not want to be confused by the truth. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. But thats just some of the ammo on Team Patricias battleship. In April 1995, the family buried Joann and Alex in a single bronze casket after a funeral mass at a Bethlehem church. They were not reported until 5:30 the next morning and he had already spliced the phone lines together. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. Perhaps that would lessen your fright. While not a guilt sceptic, I suggest this was either ill-conceived expression or an expression of misguided mindset for its not for the defendant (albeit now convict) to convince of innocence but for prosecution to convince of guilt (and per appeal, that guilt is safe rather than innocence unproven). How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. Too many people testified as to the type of person she was. Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? Assuming Mr K didnt have a cast-iron alibi, I imagine the resistance to his notional perpetration is his not only killing his baby but leaving him to suffer horribly (of exposure) first, when there was no evidence of his mental dysfunction nor motive of pecuniary gain (as far as I know). Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. February 8, 2020. You know the answer to that, the same as I do, which is. In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. Stable situation. Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. Theres also the matter of a woman who suddenly remembered she saw Joann with another man at a Food Mart store five days after the disappearance. Any true crime fan should know the crazy history of these magic boxes. A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? Sad discovery. Have you read the book? DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. Had he for some reason been murderously angry with, or bitter towards, Mrs K, why kill his baby? Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. Kidnapped and killed? You people are fighting a losing cause! Answer 1 of 3: My Thai wife put her foot down - despite Covid-19 were are going sightseeing, or else. THE COPS SET HER UP. As I stated previously, if she cannot speak for herself, Im happy to step up on her behalf. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded. The FBI even included a written report to that effect. Youre so fixated with her guilt, youre unable to see other factors that show this case to be a disgraceful travesty. You ought to acquaint yourself thoroughly with the case and not allow yourself to get any further elevated on your high horse. Nope. I thought the same. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. Free Patricia Rorrer The prosecution alleged that Patricia called the Katrinaks house from a pay phone in Pennsylvania. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence.. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. Its nothing short of a feeble stab hoping to impress but really amounts to splitting hairs, or to put it another way, hot air with no substance. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. This is untrue. What a lame article. We lived close to one another. This Sunday, Investigation Discovery and velvety-voiced Dateline NBC correspondent Keith Morrison will revisit the double-homicide. Flaw in reasoning. Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? But none of those charges ever stuck. because theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. Rest in peace Joann and Alex. Rather, Im conservative when it comes to potential disagreement with the jury: I wasnt there to see/hear evidence and to declare theyre wrong! That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. Ive heard she gets to go out to LUNCH and this broad is in prison for murdering her husband Russ Stager? Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. Ive followed and made a study of this case for more than twenty years and have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. Phone records dont lie.) Patricia, who moved from PA to North Carolina, made long distance calls from her home practically every day, except for the time period between December 11 and 16. I would have liked better her being put to death! Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. . Patricias phone bill showed no record of a call to Catasauqua that day, but police noticed she didnt make any calls at all from her house in North Carolina that day either suggesting she could have been out of state and used a pay phone to dial up the Katrinaks. Mr Steve J Ep 205 - Clair Hour 1: Black or White TV-MA | 53 MINS | 2020 How would an intruder find it? Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. Irelands husband buried it in the yard because he didnt feel comfortable with a firearm inside, she said. How so? She was so obsessed with Andy that she called him non-stop, multiple times a day, right? Another point is the theory developed by the cops that the victim (Joann) was shot just one time and then bludgeoned to death. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. And dance instructor William Jarrett couldnt remember whether she attended his dance class at the club the night of Joanns disappearance. Youre clutching at straws Im afraid. She should have received the death penalty imo. The hair evidence is not compelling because theres a very good possibility that the evidence was compromised. Media galore. State: Oklahoma. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. John If you feel it so necessary to post a comment, please at least try to keep it original, because theres nothing sensible with your juvenile attempt using my words. There is pendency of DNA investigation for Routier. After 30 minutes Id be calling someone! Thank you and well said. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? She asked to speak with Andrew, who was home during the call; Joann refused. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. They tested the hair last night on Reasonable Doubt using updated technology it is definitely Patricias. I expect she will admit it one day. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. Pat is locked in a cage because shes an animal. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. Mal told Keith Morrison that Patricias dance teacher originally confirmed her alibi that she was in class on the day of the murder, then changed his mind. November 2020; October 2020; September 2020; August 2020; July 2020; June 2020; May 2020; April 2020; March 2020; . Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. Search is on. THESE COPS ARE WRONG AND THEY ALL SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PATRICA, PUTTING HER AWAY FOR LIFE FOR SOMETHING SHE DID NOT DO. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. Creating your profile on CaseMine allows you to build your network with fellow lawyers and prospective clients. Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. I wonder, did they ever perform a DNA test on the baby, to verify paternity? Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. Stop. At 6 a.m. on June 24, 1997, police arrested Patricia at her modest house in Linwood, North Carolina, and took her back to Pennsylvania. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. I deduced my opinion to be fact because of what Ive read and seen and is supported by evidence which was never disclosed at her trial. But her reputation wasnt exactly sleek and shiny. Its never been made clear. Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. More hairs there. (A good point. If her husband was going to do that Im sure he wouldve done it in a totally different way! The phone wire was located at the opposite end of the basement, which was dark. Im a hunter and in the spring I have found many dead deer that died from starvation or other reasons and the bodies are untouched. Traupman died in 2016. Do you realize that Patricia was only found and arrested more than six months after the murder? Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? Its sad that some people just cant move on and continue to feel that what they want is going to be THEIRS regardless. Ms. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. It seems so, according to you. In summer, after thawing, there will be small animals eating the body and even turkey vultures, but not so much in the winter. She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. They noted houses near the murder scene would have heard a gunshot in December, when no farm equipment is making noise, and question why the murderer didnt just kill Joann inside her house instead of risking being seen in public in her car. Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. Book her. It's been more than 20 years since Patricia Rorrer was convicted of killing her ex-boyfriend's wife, Joann. How do you know this woman wasnt obsessed with him and wanted his wife out of the way? One more thing acquire ALL the facts about this case If you can read. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. February 29, 2020. This article is little more than fiction. The Irish-Italian girl had full, fluffy dark hair, olive skin, and a pretty face. Theres speculation and theres lies period. Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Why? The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. It then makes light of the fact that the car in which the (incriminating) hairs were found was absent of any blood. (We didnt get into the specifics.). You, however seem to have no problem with these hurtful and damaging comments aimed at Rorrer. The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. With Joann Katrinak, Alex Katrinak, Patricia Rorrer. Her jealousy and rage because Joann told her to not contact her husband set her off. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. New state, new man. She is sitting in Muncey Women's Correctional Facility for over 23 years now for something. If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. If Rorrer is innocent, she is a victim of a terrible miscarriage (terrible relatively because she is regarded as a child-killer and has been incarcerated for a many years) which I hope is corrected as soon as possible. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended.
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