They want to be around real vets,' said Martin. claiming Vietnam service and have been exposed as frauds. I have run into many of them and I don't get out all that much. 569 again lists an ESTIMATED 8.744 million active duty military personnel during the Vietnam era, here defined as Aug. 4, 1964 to Jan. 27, 1973. He wasn't even sent overseas until September 1968, six months after the Khe Sanh siege was over. Darrow 'Duke' Tully resigned as publisher of the Arizona Republic and Phoenix Gazette newspapers 18 months ago after it was revealed that his claims of having been a combat pilot in Vietnam and Korean wars were false. And Shipley's estimate of 1000 times the true number is also made up and worthless, not based on anything other than Shipley wanting to believe there is some sort of Navy Seal imposter epidemic.Just as a basic gut check that these huge numbers are preposterous, how many people have any of us run into bragging about being Navy Seals or in Vietnam? This office is the working headquarters of a guy who invests other people's millions in the stock market -- and it's his commissions that help bankroll his singular crusade. But they soon discovered that Maughn was a fake, one who had earlier flim-flammed other vet groups, employers and newspapers. There is no more to be said. There have been cases too, such as with Maughn, where once a vet gets a copy of his form, he doctors it to show combat service. But in a broader sense, DePaulo said, people lie for the same reasons, no matter what they claim to be. The Nazis, in particular, lionized him. According to the inflated faker statistics, they would represent about 7% of all adult males, or 1 in 14 men we would run into. You can reject, out of hand, the 13 million figure and the military web sites that use it, but I have traced it to its point of origin which was a survey conducted by The Vietnam Veterans Fund and by Captain Scott Beaton so that we have a good source on it.I reject out of hand because there is no evidence to support the statistic, certainly not in the source ALWAYS given (U.S. Census). Like the nonexistent Census data of 10 million fakers, this seems to be all totally made up by Shipley to push his own agenda. How many Vietnam veterans are dying each day? He deployed to Iraq, near Fallujah, in 2009. Point prevalence of PTSD for Vietnam veterans was 9% in the 1980s and for OIF/OEF veterans was 8% (Richardson, Acierno, Frueh, 2010). In Sterners experience, its all about the financial advantages fakers can obtain. 'One observation made in a number of cases is that the individual who is posing as a vet, in fact, does have conflicts about Vietnam war, which are being expressed in this indirect and disguised fashion,' Blank said. He said he was a decorated ex-Air Force fighter pilot and former prisoner of war in Vietnam who couldn't get a job. served in-country, on those who served in areas surrounding Vietnam such as They're all around you. Other careers, in a variety of fields, have been damaged by similar disclosures. In fact, he had been assigned as a supply clerk in a Marine brigade on Okinawa, Japan. I am astonished at the number of people who claim to be Vietnam Vets who aren't. 'We're becoming more and more aware of it (fake combat vets) and more and more wary of it,' said Mary Stout, national secretary of the 35,000-member, 235-chapter VVA. Marshal Hanson (and apparently quoted by every vet site as complete gospel), he provides the U.S. Census as the source, just like everybody else:www.veteranstoday.com/2009/02/26/vietnam-facts-vs-fiction/Had you read my post, you would have seen that I quoted this source, including its negative note at the end that was highlighted in yellow and typed in boldface. That negative image was fresh in Burketts mind when he decided to help a friend in Dallas raise money for Vietnam veterans a quarter century ago. Any number of personality flaws might drive someone to fabricate a military background, no matter what their station in life. Bureau of Economic Analysis, and many other Federal agencies and private You know, you could get yourself a sword and say, Hey, Im home from starving in the Mideast with the Crusaders.. And there he was, my false ranger, holding his shadow box of medals as he repeated his fake story. "It . According to an estimate by the New York Times, there were 8.4 million Vietnam veterans who were still alive in the year 2000.Of those, 1.1 million had passed away.It was also estimated that there will be a total of 138,000 Vietnam veterans who will pass away every year from this point forward.Editorial note from the administrator of the website: two, then you didnt have to pay federal income tax for the month so, ferrying For years, before the Yandle campaign and during it, Burkett had been quietly doing research for a book on phony Vietnam veterans. For years, there had been tales in the Army of "wannabes and fakers," Bateman said, "something that a lot of veterans knew, but it was usually anecdotal. According to federal law, the United States' military involvement in the Vietnam War began in February 1961 and lasted until May 1975. Kristofer Goldsmith, the former chief investigator for the Vietnam Veterans of America, spent years researching how disinformation - including Pro-Trump propaganda - has targeted veterans. that. So now I had a purpose and a system and I decided I was going to create a book, so I started researching the gaps.". aircraft into Vietnam. Fazio, though, praised Castagna for organizing the convoy, which is expected to total thousands of vets when it reaches Washington on July 4. Smith calls the phenomenon the 'Tail-Gunner Joe Syndrome,' named for Joe McCarthy, the former flag-waving senator from Wisconsin who tried to rid America of communists in the 1950s. Yandle apologized publicly and was returned to prison. Bill Williamson US Army Vietnam Veteran, Blog of shame. There are literally millions of them.You can reject, out of hand, the 13 million figure and the military web sites that use it, but I have traced it to its point of origin which was a survey conducted by The Vietnam Veterans Fund and by Captain Scott Beaton so that we have a good source on it. A Commentary on UFOs, Paranormal events, and related topics. But his fans think he's on to something. Members of chapter 239 of the Vietnam Veterans of America rushed to his aid. Some records burned; those that survived give no hint that he ever left the United States. In 1932 a German, Oscar Daubmann, turned up in his homeland claiming hed been a French prisoner of war for the previous 16 years after his capture at the 1916 Battle of the Somme. The efforts of latter-day watch-dogs such as Sterner, Burkett, the Schantags, fake Navy SEALcatcher Steve Robinson and others have given military fakery the appearance of being a modern phenomenon, particularly during the Vietnam era. 04 Both South Vietnam and the United States of America committed nearly 5 million troops into war. was not saying it was for service in Vietnam. Former Army Corporal Richard McClanahan, 29, cuts a dashing figure in his dress uniform and jaunty beret. I called, telling this former Ranger that my guy had claimed to be the assistant platoon leader. The work led to 48 arrests, the VA recovered $562,888, and authorities levied $1.23 million in fines. Now, they are being seen as heroes,' said Dr. Betsy Tolstedt of the Veteran Administration's outreach clinic in Chicago. Since the . to 14 million number originated, how it was collected, or if it was part of No, he said, but a former Ranger up in New York did. And what about Trowbridge who claimed he was playing bridge at Marcel's house the night Jesse returned with the debris?The point was that there are people out there who inject themselves important events and who lie about their military service. A "Wall of Shame" compiled by former Navy SEAL R.D. He was driven out of the group. few: http://www.uswings.com/about-us-wings/vietnam-war-facts/, http://www.military.com/forums/0,15240,84591,00.html, http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/02/26/vietnam-facts-vs-fiction/. And they've been tarred and feathered by this terrible image of what's come out of the Vietnam War.". Foreign Wars (VFW) magazine and from the Reserve Officers Association magazine which In 2007 Xavier Alvarez, a member of the Three Valleys Water Board in Claremont, California, was asked during a visit to a neighboring board if he wanted to introduce himself. Burkett, but flights of fancy can also be shot down. Is this evidence of ~200,000 fakers, or is there some other explanation, such as how you define active duty military personnel? Scott Beaton, Statistical Source. This organizations., I think has said that for every real SEAL he identifies, there are a thousand who were As for Burkett, he still gets calls from cops seeking advice on how to run records, or even from skeptical wives and girlfriends who suspect their men may be playing a bit loose with the truth about their exploits in "the 'Nam." During that same Census since 1980.But AGAIN no 13 to 14 million Vietnam vets based on alleged Census surveys. I dont know what stopped me, but I heard myself saying the words, Too good to be true, and decided to call the Ranger headquarters at Fort Benning, Georgia. They have a lower unemployment rate than the same non-vet age groups. He also had claimed recon flights over Cuba but that wasnt true either. After killing a prison guard, he said, hed been transferred to a labor camp in French-governed Algeria, where, after years of torture, good behavior had earned him a job as a prison tailor. "But, you know, maybe I'll do a book on all the heroes of Vietnam. Im still around.. (military occupational specialty)," says Charles Moskos, a Northwestern University professor who specializes in military sociology. They werent. 76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/working class backgrounds. Last winter, John Maughn contacted a veterans' group in Atlanta and begged for help. Projections also indicate that the veteran population will become slightly younger, with 33% of veterans being younger than 50 in 2046 compared with 27% in 2021, even as the overall U.S. population continues to age. He does claim an "FBI study" "a few years ago" estimated 300 fakers for every real living Seal. from it to arrive at the 9.4 million. Frank Kaufmann provided his discharged documents which we accepted as authentic but later learned that he had forged them. Vietnam War veterans, and their families, are being invited to this event to be held at the National Mall on May 11, 12, and 13. Retired Last year, he dropped out of the state's gubernatorial race, admitting he never got closer to Vietnam than peacetime Korea. claiming Vietnam service who were not there and that there are many claiming They lost buddies in Vietnam and are still having difficulty coping with emotions. Of the 750 people in his graduating class at Princeton, he says 500 went into the service. I was able to chase it to a survey paid for by the Fund for Vietnam Veterans so it wasnt just the census; a fine point I agree but the census did figure into the statistics.So we can continue this no we cant because Im not going to play anymore. is in agreement that there were only , 1,713,823 These are a As a Massachusetts state representative, Royall Switzler portrayed himself as former member of the Army special forces in Vietnam. You can find the figures here:https://www.va.gov/opa/publications/factsheets/fs_americas_wars.pdf Using both the census and the DoD numbers, Navy Captain Scott Beaton conducted a survey for the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund. IF one was there & received the home coming I did, one would not bother. Once you start getting away with it, then I think you get more emboldened. authentic though I suspect the number is close to accurate. 10/05/2017 by militaryphonies. Prompted by the support of the Vietnam Veterans of America, Weld recommended Yandle's release, and in October 1995, after 23 years behind bars, Yandle walked free. It was a sweet assignment right up my writing alley: A narrative about the D-Day invasion to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Allied attack that marked the beginning of the end for Nazi Germany. They are NOT to be used for official government findings Some of the statistics being This has become pointless and I just dont any more time to devote to it. Robert Bateman, who teaches military history at West Point. Really?As for another claimed but phony reference used by vet websites, the Census Statistical Abstract of the United States: 1995, that allegedly has that 13+ million Vietnam veterans statistic, that Census Report can be found here:www.census.gov/library/publications/1995/compendia/statab/115ed.htmlThis provides a link to Section 11 pertaining to military and veteran statistics:www2.census.gov/library/publications/1995/compendia/statab/115ed/tables/defense.pdfWhere, AGAIN, nowhere can be found anything like 13 or 14 million people that allegedly the U.S. Census documented people saying they were Vietnam Vets. Burkett, who at the time was verifying records for the Texas State Archives, discovered he could get military records by request. Joining is simple and . In 2007 the project listed 49 Medal of Honor recipients on its Web site. In 2019, approximately 3.4 million Vietnam War Veterans were enrolled for Veterans Health Administration services (12). Their lies collectively cost the VA $1.4 million. Ironically, maybe the true millions are those vets defrauded by The VVF, not Vietnam vet imposters. Its all done for personal gain, he said. I have searched in vain for this alleged FBI study. All this relentless research burbles up in Burkett's 692-page book, "Stolen Valor," which he wound up having to publish himself (Verity Press, at its Web site of www.stolenvalor.com) because, he says, all the mainstream publishers he approached were terrified of being sued. In 1999, Donald R. Nicholson, the police chief of Amelia, Missouri, in the 1980s, admitted that he had lied about being a Vietnam veteran and a prisoner of war to obtain better veterans benefits. 576 (p. 15) has the number of Vietnam era vets as of 1994, listed as 8.246 million. There can be problems, however. Im a retired Marine of 25 years, Alvarez told the attendees. Since you are so death on fraudulent Roswell witnesses, as you should be, I think you would be equally outraged by phony, clearly fabricated statistics, fraudulent references given in support (U.S. Census), and fraudulent veterans charities taking advantage of veterans. Nor has military fakery been limited to Americans. In this, he resembles the fake Vietnam vets, whose stories more often concern harm suffered and witnessed than bravery proven. think I have been able to deduce what has happened. A judge sentenced Cooley to two years probation, a $5,000 fine and 100 hours of community service. Why bother to be a faker unless you are going to brag about it to people you meet? Cooley had claimed Korean War service with Army Special Forces. REAL Vietnam War veterans are all those who are officially authorized the Vietnam Service medal and possess official military-issued documentation to confirm their medal authorization. connection to a census though the connection is not identified. Im not sure why this has become such an issue here but I Maybe creating phony statistics on nonexistent vet imposters was designed to get vets understandably angry so they would send their hard-earned money to scam vet charities like the VVF. 87% of Americans hold Vietnam Veterans in high esteem. The point is the magazine has a political agenda. The figures for those who served in the Vietnam era were 05 The total casualties of the war number over 1 million. It also notes that information on total personnel abroad (Vietnam and elsewhere) was not available.Finally No. He eventually amended his senate DURING THIS CENSUS COUNT, the number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country is: 13,853,027. "In every statistical category that we looked at," he says, "Vietnam veterans were superlative -- their desertion and court martial rates were much lower (than in prior wars) -- and when I started looking at individual cases, I'd find vets who were valedictorians or football stars. Or maybe you dont even mean it consciously as a trial balloon, but you put something out there, and it works and maybe gets a good reaction. support it. Originally published in the March 2010 issue of Military History. what was claimed in that article is false but there was no warning about the The same vet websites Kevin links to also give a ~9.1 million figure for "military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam Era." In 1997 Wes S. Cooley, a sitting first-term eastern Oregon congressman, was convicted on charges hed lied about his military service in official state voter guides. And 97 percent of Vietnam veterans received honorable discharges, exactly the same rate for the military in the peaceful 10 years prior to the war. Most imposters have no real military knowledge, so they make silly mistakes like wearing an Army patch on the left pocket and a Navy edge on the left sleeve. Local community celebrities appear no less prone to telling such tales. But the Stolen Valor claim is itself a fraud perpetrated on the public.By some estimates, 4-5% of the population in general are sociopathic liars. The increase in their ranks in recent years corresponds with a positive shift in public sentiment about Vietnam vets and a wave of books, television shows and movies about the war, such as the motion picture 'Platoon. How many fake Vietnam veterans are there? Because of the homecoming we got I never brought up Vietnam let alone wore a hat with Vietnam vet on it. His was the classic story, embraced and portrayed by the media in endless permutations until it became the stuff of legend. I was a Army platoon leader. It takes the heart of a Warrior to find deception and take it down. 'It's some sort of marginal, internal footnote to the Vietnam experience,' said Dr. Arthur Blank, director of the VA's Vietnam Vet Center program, which operates 188 counseling clinics nationwide. State Vietnam Veterans Vietnam Veterans (per 100k) Utah 42,774 1,272 How [] You're a person of value," says B. G. "Jug" Burkett, a Vietnam veteran who was the first to expose military imposters in a systematic way, and who coined the term stolen valor. Nobodys going to care.. ', 'For years, Vietnam vets were portrayed as crazies. have been able to find reliable statistics on the number of men and women who REALITY: Johnson -- whose public mea culpa last November was too recent to be included in Burkett's book -- never served in Vietnam and never saw combat. Along the way, Burkett has picked up a few enemies: "There had been some threats, and the brokers and secretaries were afraid of being killed, so they moved me way down the hall to this office." I asked the spokesman if he had a unit roster of some sort. But I know this didnt just occur starting with the modern wars. David Rudiak was right about After nearly 20 years of living thousands of miles from his family so he could claim his French army pension, the old soldier is finally being allowed to return to live in his native Senegal. Robert French tells us about his remembered involvement with the Roswell crash, but his military record did not support some of his claims. There are no firm estimates on the number of fake combat vets. You'd need to make $108k/yr after-tax annually to afford a Datejust in a month's time.
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